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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 15:39:00 GMT -5
Ah yes, The bullsh*tter-in-chief spinning and lying again. First he's for a shutdown, now hes against it (what about the poor military) wants to blame the evil dems because republicans need a boogieman to blame instead of taking responsibility for their actions. Here's a real one word boogieman for the republicans-MIDTERMS
Trump tweets 8:07 AM - May 2, 2017
'either elect more Republican Senators in 2018 or change the rules now to 51%. Our country needs a good "shutdown" in September to fix mess!'
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Post by theremedy on Jan 19, 2018 17:27:43 GMT -5
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) needs 60 votes, but there are only 50 Republican senators right now, and he can't even count on all of them to vote yes. Meanwhile, a majority of Senate Democrats seem ready to vote against the spending bill, calculating Republicans will get the blame.
McConnell is pinning much of his hopes on getting a month-long spending bill through the Senate on these senators. His thinking boils down to: Will these red-state senators really vote to shut down the government — which could hamper the military and cause a number of states to run out of money for children's health insurance — because it doesn't have protections for those in the country illegally?
GOP strategist Alex Conant points out that a government shutdown usually gives a boost to challengers (i.e., people who weren't in Congress when it failed to do its most basic function). These Democratic senators were already vulnerable to being kicked out by Republican challengers, because they're running for reelection in states that Trump won.
But at the same time, these senators are likely getting pressure from their own party leaders not to vote with Republicans. Protecting “dreamers” is politically popular, too.
It's only a slight exaggeration to say that every other Senate Democrat is considering or rumored to be considering a presidential run to unseat Trump in 2020. And when presented with a choice, these Democrats have consistently chosen the most liberal option. (A number of them support Medicare-for-all, despite the chances of that becoming law in a Republican Congress being zero.)
So it's little surprise that these Democrats are hard no's on this spending bill. They voted against a similar short-term spending bill in December, too.
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Post by theremedy on Jan 20, 2018 10:38:58 GMT -5
WASHINGTON ― With less than two hours to go before a deadline to avert a government shutdown, 48 senators blocked a four-week government spending extension, causing the government to partially shutdown at midnight.
Forty-four Democrats and four Republicans voted against the short-term spending bill that passed the House on Thursday evening, many of them saying they could not vote for a measure that does nothing for the 700,000 undocumented young people President Donald Trump has put at risk of losing protection from deportation.
So apparently these 700,000 citizens, who are here illegally, are more important to these 48 senators, most of which are Dems, than the hundreds of millions of legal citizens. Good to know.
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Post by theremedy on Jan 20, 2018 10:43:47 GMT -5
Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said in 2013 “it would be governmental chaos” if the Democrats shut down the government in order to give amnesty to illegal aliens.
During an interview with ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, Schumer mocked the idea that Democrats would ever try to shut down the federal government unless millions of illegal aliens were given amnesty.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 11:32:26 GMT -5
WASHINGTON ― With less than two hours to go before a deadline to avert a government shutdown, 48 senators blocked a four-week government spending extension, causing the government to partially shutdown at midnight.
Forty-four Democrats and four Republicans voted against the short-term spending bill that passed the House on Thursday evening, many of them saying they could not vote for a measure that does nothing for the 700,000 undocumented young people President Donald Trump has put at risk of losing protection from deportation. So apparently these 700,000 citizens, who are here illegally, are more important to these 48 senators, most of which are Dems, than the hundreds of millions of legal citizens. Good to know. So you're falling for the fake news we're always hearing about. Do you really think the dems think DACA recipients are more important than other americans? Because that would be stupid. You know that, right? This is just more Trump and his little band of republican sycophants not helping but harming the US. After all, it was Trump who changed his mind on signing the bail out bill because he hates immigrants. I hope you're not harmed during the 4 week vacation government employees just received, it could be worse, you could be deported to a country you've never been too. |
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Post by Donald J Putin on Jan 20, 2018 11:33:21 GMT -5
I don't see what the republicans are complaining about they have already shut down the government once before.
It's funny how republicans can do something, but when democrats try to do the same thing the republicans are all up in arms. Typical republican behavior on numerous issues.
The democrats had a deal to compromise DACA and borderwall, but the republicans didn't want it. This seems like another case of crybaby republicans failure to compromise or work together.
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Post by theremedy on Jan 20, 2018 14:16:03 GMT -5
WASHINGTON ― With less than two hours to go before a deadline to avert a government shutdown, 48 senators blocked a four-week government spending extension, causing the government to partially shutdown at midnight.
Forty-four Democrats and four Republicans voted against the short-term spending bill that passed the House on Thursday evening, many of them saying they could not vote for a measure that does nothing for the 700,000 undocumented young people President Donald Trump has put at risk of losing protection from deportation. So apparently these 700,000 citizens, who are here illegally, are more important to these 48 senators, most of which are Dems, than the hundreds of millions of legal citizens. Good to know. So you're falling for the fake news we're always hearing about. Do you really think the dems think DACA recipients are more important than other americans? Because that would be stupid. You know that, right? This is just more Trump and his little band of republican sycophants not helping but harming the US. After all, it was Trump who changed his mind on signing the bail out bill because he hates immigrants. I hope you're not harmed during the 4 week vacation government employees just received, it could be worse, you could be deported to a country you've never been too. I’m going by what was reported by Huff Post..you know that bastion on conservatism...heh heh heh DACA is in fact holding up the vote on the Dems end. So clearly they are more concerned about a few. You can tell yourself otherwise all you like. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 16:35:19 GMT -5
I’m going by what was reported by Huff Post..you know that bastion on conservatism...heh heh heh DACA is in fact holding up the vote on the Dems end. So clearly they are more concerned about a few. You can tell yourself otherwise all you like. Too bad you can't think for yourself. You do know that using a government shutdown is a republican ploy created by the republicans to leverage their particular agenda and the timeline is fabricated. Taking the high road with this administration is a fools play. They understand one thing and thats their own best interests and not that of the general public. After all, what are the republicans doing to make America great again for anyone? Take away health care? A tax cut for corporations that we will all pay for in ten years? I applaud the dems for standing their ground to help even a small minority in the face of such adversity. Keep us posted on how the shutdown directly affects you. |
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Post by Donald J Putin on Jan 20, 2018 16:50:11 GMT -5
This is a problem because Republicans have a complete inability to compromise. The democrats had a compromise that even included some funding for a wall, something they absolutely hate, but in the end republicans shot it down. It is time for republicans to actually lead. They are great at lying, making excuses, and passing blame, but when it comes time for leadership they have failed miserably.
Government shutdowns are great when the republicans do them, but when a democrat tries to do the same thing they can't handle their own medicine. If the republicans can't show leadership then they need to get voted out of the leadership position.
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Post by theremedy on Jan 20, 2018 17:31:35 GMT -5
I’m going by what was reported by Huff Post..you know that bastion on conservatism...heh heh heh DACA is in fact holding up the vote on the Dems end. So clearly they are more concerned about a few. You can tell yourself otherwise all you like. Too bad you can't think for yourself. You do know that using a government shutdown is a republican ploy created by the republicans to leverage their particular agenda and the timeline is fabricated. Taking the high road with this administration is a fools play. They understand one thing and thats their own best interests and not that of the general public. After all, what are the republicans doing to make America great again for anyone? Take away health care? A tax cut for corporations that we will all pay for in ten years? I applaud the dems for standing their ground to help even a small minority in the face of such adversity. Keep us posted on how the shutdown directly affects you. Oh please....nice spin. DACA is holding this up. But you know that. I love how you’re actin like Dems don’t play political games too. My lord... Shutdown affect me not one bit...but it does affect many others. Sorry I actually care about those people. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 19:27:24 GMT -5
Oh please....nice spin. DACA is holding this up. But you know that. I love how you’re actin like Dems don’t play political games too. My lord... Shutdown affect me not one bit...but it does affect many others. Sorry I actually care about those people. Ya, DACA is holding this up, or maybe if the doosh-in-chief would give it the okay he promised, we could all move on and everyone would be spared the misery he provides. So spare me your false sympathy. If you did care about anyone, you'ld want DACA to pass and then everyone would be taken care of. It's not that complicated. |
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Post by theremedy on Jan 21, 2018 8:44:42 GMT -5
Oh please....nice spin. DACA is holding this up. But you know that. I love how you’re actin like Dems don’t play political games too. My lord... Shutdown affect me not one bit...but it does affect many others. Sorry I actually care about those people. Ya, DACA is holding this up, or maybe if the doosh-in-chief would give it the okay he promised, we could all move on and everyone would be spared the misery he provides. So spare me your false sympathy. If you did care about anyone, you'ld want DACA to pass and then everyone would be taken care of. It's not that complicated. I get it..you’re ok with harming millions of legal citizens to help 700k illegals citizens. Got it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 10:17:32 GMT -5
I get it, you missed the whole post where I said there's no reason why both can't be addressed. But maybe you cant deal with more than one problem at a time.
I'll simplify, if the dope-in-chief stuck to his original agreement, 700,000 children would be saved and there would be no shutdown (or harm to millions as you melodramatically and falsely put it). Got it now? Can't make it simpler.
Oh, and in response to your illegal comment with regards to DACA recpients, here's a little constitutional lesson for you...
The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, reads:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside.
Not that the constitution means anything to this administration.
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Post by theremedy on Jan 21, 2018 13:36:59 GMT -5
I get it, you missed the whole post where I said there's no reason why both can't be addressed. But maybe you cant deal with more than one problem at a time. I'll simplify, if the dope-in-chief stuck to his original agreement, 700,000 children would be saved and there would be no shutdown (or harm to millions as you melodramatically and falsely put it). Got it now? Can't make it simpler. Oh, and in response to your illegal comment with regards to DACA recpients, here's a little constitutional lesson for you... The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, reads: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. Not that the constitution means anything to this administration. Again...I get it...you don’t care about millions of legal citizens. No one is surprised by this. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 18:33:17 GMT -5
It obvious you don't get it. I even tried to simplify it. My fault, I expect too much.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 18:36:08 GMT -5
Heh, heh, heh ... If you're stupid enough to try and deny the reality that Democrats are trying to save both innocent young immigrants and children from the terrorist, hostage taking pos wingnuts, then sure, the Democrats would look like the bad guys.
Of course you would have to be a liked-minded wingnut to believe that such a 'Sophie's choice' is necessary in the first place ...
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Post by theremedy on Jan 21, 2018 20:49:04 GMT -5
Hahaha....you guys are such typical Dem party boot lickers.
It's pretty simple: funding bills should be about appropriations, not immigration.
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Post by theremedy on Jan 21, 2018 20:55:57 GMT -5
I get it, you missed the whole post where I said there's no reason why both can't be addressed. But maybe you cant deal with more than one problem at a time. I'll simplify, if the dope-in-chief stuck to his original agreement, 700,000 children would be saved and there would be no shutdown (or harm to millions as you melodramatically and falsely put it). Got it now? Can't make it simpler. Oh, and in response to your illegal comment with regards to DACA recpients, here's a little constitutional lesson for you... The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, reads: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and the State wherein they reside. Not that the constitution means anything to this administration. What does that have to do with people here illegally? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 11:38:40 GMT -5
Give them a path to citizenship. Sticking their kids on a boat to a country they've never been to after living their whole lives in America is counterproductive. Especially if they've been through our education system and now trying to become productive members of American society. Think of all those future taxes you love to waste on useless crap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:01:44 GMT -5
Hahaha....you guys are such typical Dem party boot lickers. It's pretty simple: funding bills should be about appropriations, not immigration. Heh, heh, heh ... Now that her wingnuts are in control of gov't the resident queen-of-facetiousness suddenly demands and end to same political horse trading that the wingnuts used to obstruct the Dems for the previous 8 yrs. Gotta love how flip floppy these ass kissing wingnuts are ... their hypocrisy, like their ideological ignorance, know no bounds. |
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Post by StalkingButler on Jan 22, 2018 13:08:48 GMT -5
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Post by theremedy on Jan 22, 2018 13:16:09 GMT -5
Hahaha....you guys are such typical Dem party boot lickers. It's pretty simple: funding bills should be about appropriations, not immigration. Heh, heh, heh ... Now that her wingnuts are in control of gov't the resident queen-of-facetiousness suddenly demands and end to same political horse trading that the wingnuts used to obstruct the Dems for the previous 8 yrs. Gotta love how flip floppy these ass kissing wingnuts are ... their hypocrisy, like their ideological ignorance, know no bounds. I never agreed with any side obstructing. One example was Obamacare. I thought the Repubs trying to obstruct the passage was ridiculous and stated so...I ended up going back and forth with backinblack as a result since he was and is against Obamacare. So please save your sweeping generalizations for someone else. |
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Post by theremedy on Jan 22, 2018 13:17:17 GMT -5
How long was the govt shutdown during Obama administration? |
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Post by StalkingButler on Jan 22, 2018 13:27:22 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:32:56 GMT -5
Looks like Reagan made this a popular practice. What a surprise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:35:10 GMT -5
Heh, heh, heh ... Now that her wingnuts are in control of gov't the resident queen-of-facetiousness suddenly demands and end to same political horse trading that the wingnuts used to obstruct the Dems for the previous 8 yrs. Gotta love how flip floppy these ass kissing wingnuts are ... their hypocrisy, like their ideological ignorance, know no bounds. I never agreed with any side obstructing. One example was Obamacare. I thought the Repubs trying to obstruct the passage was ridiculous and stated so...I ended up going back and forth with backinblack as a result since he was and is against Obamacare. So please save your sweeping generalizations for someone else. Hey spanky ... How is not voting for a particular bill 'obstructing'? |
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Post by theremedy on Jan 22, 2018 13:40:50 GMT -5
I never agreed with any side obstructing. One example was Obamacare. I thought the Repubs trying to obstruct the passage was ridiculous and stated so...I ended up going back and forth with backinblack as a result since he was and is against Obamacare. So please save your sweeping generalizations for someone else. Hey spanky ... How is not voting for a particular bill 'obstructing'? Republican's didn't vote at all when it came to the Affordable Care Act? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:45:47 GMT -5
Hey spanky ... How is not voting for a particular bill 'obstructing'? Republican's didn't vote at all when it came to the Affordable Care Act? WTF ... there ya go again ... proving you're too stupid to answer a direct question about your accusations of obstruction. The wingnuts constantly filibustered the ACA ... despite having dozens of their own amendments added to the bill ... and each time it was overridden I'll ask again since you refuse to answer: How is not voting for a particular bill 'obstructing'? |
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Post by theremedy on Jan 22, 2018 13:54:25 GMT -5
Republican's didn't vote at all when it came to the Affordable Care Act? WTF ... there ya go again ... proving you're too stupid to answer a direct question about your accusations of obstruction. The wingnuts constantly filibustered the ACA ... despite having 50 of their own amendments added to the bill ... and each time it was overridden WTF are you babbling about? The Repubs tried everything they could to keep ACA from being passed. I was against that. Just like I'm against the Dems doing it now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2018 13:58:29 GMT -5
Answering the question anklebiter: How is not voting for a particular bill 'obstructing'?
Or if you prefer: How is voting 'yea' or 'nay' on a bill obstructing?
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