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Post by StalkingButler on Sept 4, 2020 15:06:23 GMT -5
Yes, the Secretary of State sent classified emails. I hope that doesnt shock you too much. It's sort of comes with the job. In fact, everything she touched is classified. Was the receiving server not secured? trump communicated over his personal phone. He admit's that. Back to your question; I don't see anything about an unsecured private email server. Where was this server located? Who managed it and what proof do you have that it was unsecured? And what do you actually mean by unsecured? What is the OS, was it patched and running the latest builds. What protocols were being used. Was she sending using SSL or some other cryptic government protocol? and also, please define private. Seems like private contradicts unsecured. This is the rigor required when making accusations such as you are. This isn't faux news. You're deflecting. Hillary had a private email server that she used exclusively for government business (she never had an official State department email address) and there were classified emails on it. It's actually far worse than that but for our intellectual exercise we're going with those two facts. Do you believe that Hillary broke the law when she housed classified emails on her unsecured private email server? Here's some more info. nypost.com/2015/08/18/hillarys-email-server-was-run-out-of-an-old-bathroom-closet/Hillary Clinton’s email servers were maintained by a mom-and-pop outfit — run out of an old bathroom closet in a downtown Denver loft, according to a published report on Tuesday.
While Platte River Networks has ties to Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, it wasn’t immediately clearly how the company got hooked up with the former secretary of state and Democratic presidential front-runner, the Daily Mail said.
The company’s work with Clinton was a secret to many of its employees, who were amazed when they learned of it.
“At the time I worked for them they wouldn’t have been equipped to work for Hillary Clinton because I don’t think they had the resources, they were based out of a loft, so [it was] not very high security, we didn’t even have an alarm,” Tera Dadiotis, a former customer relations consultant between 2007 and 2010, told the website.
“I don’t know how they run their operation now, but we literally had our server racks in the bathroom.”
While Dadiotis called Platte River Networks “a great place to work,” she also described it as a “mom-and-pop shop.”
“I don’t see how that would be secure [enough for Clinton],” she added.
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Post by ALGERNON on Sept 4, 2020 16:24:34 GMT -5
Yes, the Secretary of State sent classified emails. I hope that doesnt shock you too much. It's sort of comes with the job. In fact, everything she touched is classified. Was the receiving server not secured? trump communicated over his personal phone. He admit's that. Back to your question; I don't see anything about an unsecured private email server. Where was this server located? Who managed it and what proof do you have that it was unsecured? And what do you actually mean by unsecured? What is the OS, was it patched and running the latest builds. What protocols were being used. Was she sending using SSL or some other cryptic government protocol? and also, please define private. Seems like private contradicts unsecured. This is the rigor required when making accusations such as you are. This isn't faux news. You're deflecting. Hillary had a private email server that she used exclusively for government business (she never had an official State department email address) and there were classified emails on it. It's actually far worse than that but for our intellectual exercise we're going with those two facts. Do you believe that Hillary broke the law when she housed classified emails on her unsecured private email server? Here's some more info. nypost.com/2015/08/18/hillarys-email-server-was-run-out-of-an-old-bathroom-closet/Hillary Clinton’s email servers were maintained by a mom-and-pop outfit — run out of an old bathroom closet in a downtown Denver loft, according to a published report on Tuesday.
While Platte River Networks has ties to Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, it wasn’t immediately clearly how the company got hooked up with the former secretary of state and Democratic presidential front-runner, the Daily Mail said.
The company’s work with Clinton was a secret to many of its employees, who were amazed when they learned of it.
“At the time I worked for them they wouldn’t have been equipped to work for Hillary Clinton because I don’t think they had the resources, they were based out of a loft, so [it was] not very high security, we didn’t even have an alarm,” Tera Dadiotis, a former customer relations consultant between 2007 and 2010, told the website.
“I don’t know how they run their operation now, but we literally had our server racks in the bathroom.”
While Dadiotis called Platte River Networks “a great place to work,” she also described it as a “mom-and-pop shop.”
“I don’t see how that would be secure [enough for Clinton],” she added.Hey, any thoughts on the 2020 RNC?
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Post by Speed Racer on Sept 4, 2020 17:00:34 GMT -5
Yes, the Secretary of State sent classified emails. I hope that doesnt shock you too much. It's sort of comes with the job. In fact, everything she touched is classified. Was the receiving server not secured? trump communicated over his personal phone. He admit's that. Back to your question; I don't see anything about an unsecured private email server. Where was this server located? Who managed it and what proof do you have that it was unsecured? And what do you actually mean by unsecured? What is the OS, was it patched and running the latest builds. What protocols were being used. Was she sending using SSL or some other cryptic government protocol? and also, please define private. Seems like private contradicts unsecured. This is the rigor required when making accusations such as you are. This isn't faux news. You're deflecting. Hillary had a private email server that she used exclusively for government business (she never had an official State department email address) and there were classified emails on it. It's actually far worse than that but for our intellectual exercise we're going with those two facts. Do you believe that Hillary broke the law when she housed classified emails on her unsecured private email server? Here's some more info. nypost.com/2015/08/18/hillarys-email-server-was-run-out-of-an-old-bathroom-closet/Hillary Clinton’s email servers were maintained by a mom-and-pop outfit — run out of an old bathroom closet in a downtown Denver loft, according to a published report on Tuesday.
While Platte River Networks has ties to Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper, it wasn’t immediately clearly how the company got hooked up with the former secretary of state and Democratic presidential front-runner, the Daily Mail said.
The company’s work with Clinton was a secret to many of its employees, who were amazed when they learned of it.
“At the time I worked for them they wouldn’t have been equipped to work for Hillary Clinton because I don’t think they had the resources, they were based out of a loft, so [it was] not very high security, we didn’t even have an alarm,” Tera Dadiotis, a former customer relations consultant between 2007 and 2010, told the website.
“I don’t know how they run their operation now, but we literally had our server racks in the bathroom.”
While Dadiotis called Platte River Networks “a great place to work,” she also described it as a “mom-and-pop shop.”
“I don’t see how that would be secure [enough for Clinton],” she added.What a sketchy load of crap that article is. And from the NY post of all tabloids. They even admit they had no clients in D.C.!!! Furthermore, this place claims their security was very good with no technical details at all. The NY Post never interviewed anyone with any technical experience or who even works there anymore. So my answer to your loaded question is, as it stands she did not house classified emails on an "unsecured" or "private" email server. Your own research has convinced me of that. A blurb in the Post. Please, have some self respect.
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Post by Speed Racer on Sept 4, 2020 17:03:47 GMT -5
Get some real in-depth data from a reliable resource. Maybe more than one resource that has more words than a used car ad.
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Post by StalkingButler on Sept 4, 2020 17:20:54 GMT -5
So you don't believe that Hillary had classified email on her private server. Is that what you believe?
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Post by ALGERNON on Sept 4, 2020 18:01:04 GMT -5
So you don't believe that Hillary had classified email on her private server. Is that what you believe? Uhm.... what does it matter right about now? She's old news. She lost, didn't she? She is not by any means relevant in 2020. Any thoughts by you on the 2020 RNC? Any thoughts on Trump?
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Post by Speed Racer on Sept 4, 2020 18:14:33 GMT -5
The onus is on you to prove she had an insecure private server of which you failed. Since you have not proven she had an insecure private server, how could she put classified emails on a non existent insecure private server?
And to a larger point, what does it matter what Hillary did? The POTUS who considers everything he says as classified admits he uses his own cell phone to talk to heads of state and send classified texts. Why arn't you questioning that activity? Why arn't you questioning that activity? Why arn't you questioning that activity? Why arn't you questioning that activity? Why arn't you questioning that activity? Why arn't you questioning that activity? Why arn't you questioning that activity? Why arn't you questioning that activity?
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Post by StalkingButler on Sept 5, 2020 8:02:33 GMT -5
The onus is on you to prove she had an insecure private server of which you failed.
Not true. You've focused on a minor point of the question (which is easily provable based on Justice department documents) instead of the point of the question.
Do you or do you not believe that Hillary broke the law by housing classified information on her insecure, rogue, unauthorized private email server?
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Post by StalkingButler on Sept 5, 2020 8:04:08 GMT -5
So you don't believe that Hillary had classified email on her private server. Is that what you believe? Uhm.... what does it matter right about now? She's old news. She lost, didn't she? She is not by any means relevant in 2020. Any thoughts by you on the 2020 RNC? Any thoughts on Trump? Then why do you keep bringing it up? bdc-politics.freeforums.net/post/28931/thread
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Post by ALGERNON on Sept 5, 2020 9:21:04 GMT -5
Uhm.... what does it matter right about now? She's old news. She lost, didn't she? She is not by any means relevant in 2020. Any thoughts by you on the 2020 RNC? Any thoughts on Trump? Then why do you keep bringing it up? bdc-politics.freeforums.net/post/28931/threadIt's because you brought up the "Russian Hoax" elsewhere. You bemoaned all the time and money spent while totally exonerating all the time and money wasted on HRC. See how that works? So again, what are your thoughts on the current RNC and Trump as a whole?
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Post by StalkingButler on Sept 5, 2020 9:50:41 GMT -5
It's because you brought up the "Russian Hoax"
It's topical and you should not be allowed to forget this massive hoax played on the American people that you bought into and supported 100%.
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Post by Speed Racer on Sept 5, 2020 11:01:33 GMT -5
The onus is on you to prove she had an insecure private server of which you failed. Not true. You've focused on a minor point of the question (which is easily provable based on Justice department documents) instead of the point of the question. Do you or do you not believe that Hillary broke the law by housing classified information on her insecure, rogue, unauthorized private email server? It's far from a minor point. It's a basis of your whole accusation. Without it, your accusation is specious and irrelevant. And that in itself is easily provable in that you've now added the word rogue in a superficial attempt to enhance and force that very " minor" part of your flimsy accusation. You're now doubling down to add validity to your failed argument. You've successfully poisoned your own well. Keep dancing. Oh, and someone said something about Clinton using BleachBit. Iv'e worked with BleachBit in the past and they're just an open source deletion routine no more secure then Symantec. It doesn't even write over the deleted data making it a simple exercise for post mortum data recovery. Any data recovery tool, free on the web, or you can purchase a recovery tool that can recover BleachBit files. Or you can do it yourself if you know how it works.
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Post by ALGERNON on Sept 5, 2020 11:27:16 GMT -5
It's because you brought up the "Russian Hoax" It's topical and you should not be allowed to forget this massive hoax played on the American people that you bought into and supported 100%. So, four pages into this thread "GOP platform 2020" and you have yet to offer any thoughts on this very topical matter? Not one.
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Post by Speed Racer on Sept 5, 2020 12:43:02 GMT -5
Hoax? trump co-opted that word and uses it whenever he's trying to weasel out of something. I have serious doubts he came up with that word himself. Terms like Fake News are more his speed. Which of course the wingnuts buy into and support 100%.
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Post by StalkingButler on Sept 8, 2020 6:57:31 GMT -5
It's because you brought up the "Russian Hoax" It's topical and you should not be allowed to forget this massive hoax played on the American people that you bought into and supported 100%. So, four pages into this thread "GOP platform 2020" and you have yet to offer any thoughts on this very topical matter? Not one. This particular subject is not compelling enough to me to respond to it.
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Post by StalkingButler on Sept 8, 2020 7:07:15 GMT -5
The onus is on you to prove she had an insecure private server of which you failed. Not true. You've focused on a minor point of the question (which is easily provable based on Justice department documents) instead of the point of the question. Do you or do you not believe that Hillary broke the law by housing classified information on her insecure, rogue, unauthorized private email server? It's far from a minor point. It's a basis of your whole accusation. Without it, your accusation is specious and irrelevant. And that in itself is easily provable in that you've now added the word rogue in a superficial attempt to enhance and force that very " minor" part of your flimsy accusation. You're now doubling down to add validity to your failed argument. You've successfully poisoned your own well. Keep dancing. Oh, and someone said something about Clinton using BleachBit. Iv'e worked with BleachBit in the past and they're just an open source deletion routine no more secure then Symantec. It doesn't even write over the deleted data making it a simple exercise for post mortum data recovery. Any data recovery tool, free on the web, or you can purchase a recovery tool that can recover BleachBit files. Or you can do it yourself if you know how it works. www.computerworld.com/article/2895892/hillary-clintons-email-system-was-insecure-for-two-months.htmlHillary Clinton's email system was insecure for two monthsThe private email system used by Hillary Clinton when she was U.S. Secretary of State didn't encrypt messages during the first two months of use, an Internet security company said Wednesday.
That would have left emails sent and received by Clinton in early 2009 vulnerable to eavesdropping -- just when British and American intelligence agencies were reportedly spying on world leaders.
Internet records show the clintonemail.com domain was first registered on Jan. 13, 2009. Clinton became Secretary of State eight days later, but it wasn't until March 29 that the first SSL certificate was issued for the domain, according to Venafi, a security company that analyzes encryption keys and digital certificates.
So that's settled. Now, IT guy, do you believe that Hillary Clinton broke the law by housing classified information on her unauthorized, insecure private email server? Bonus question, do you believe that the chief law enforcement officer of the United States at the time Barack Obama turned a blind eye to a potential major security breach by communicating with Clinton via email despite knowing that Clinton wasn't using a government email address?
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Post by Speed Racer on Sept 8, 2020 16:50:01 GMT -5
You don't say any email were sent during the time this was being set up in those first two months when it was supposedly vulnerable. There is nothing about any emails being held on the server or being sent and received during those first two months. I'd say you were trying to incriminate Clinton as being secretive however she used her own name in the very domain she created!!! How very clandestine (not). That like saying here 'I am and this is where I keep all my secretive emails'. It's like saying I have a secretive server called speedracerssecretemail.com. And when she shut it down, she destroyed all data, that's a government milspec requirement. This is why she was exonerated. There's nothing (literally) there. She did it by the book.
Just for your own edification, the government is so strict about their requirements on their systems, you will often find government employees building and using their own systems for private correspondence and non work communications. I do because my work is so strict about device requirements and data being leaked by accident. Many site are blocked (including this one) at my work.
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Post by StalkingButler on Sept 9, 2020 7:14:20 GMT -5
You don't say any email were sent during the time this was being set up in those first two months when it was supposedly vulnerable. There is nothing about any emails being held on the server or being sent and received during those first two months. I'd say you were trying to incriminate Clinton as being secretive however she used her own name in the very domain she created!!! How very clandestine (not). That like saying here 'I am and this is where I keep all my secretive emails'. It's like saying I have a secretive server called speedracerssecretemail.com. And when she shut it down, she destroyed all data, that's a government milspec requirement. This is why she was exonerated. There's nothing (literally) there. She did it by the book. Just for your own edification, the government is so strict about their requirements on their systems, you will often find government employees building and using their own systems for private correspondence and non work communications. I do because my work is so strict about device requirements and data being leaked by accident. Many site are blocked (including this one) at my work. Now you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to avoid answering the very basic question that I posed. Classified email is not supposed to leave the Federal government network and should ALWAYS be encrypted. Clinton received the same instructions and warnings as every other federal employee and CHOSE not to comply. We're not even getting into the fact that a blind copy of every email that she sent out was send to what appears to be a Chinese associated company. She was NOT exonerated, Corney and his crew purposefully twisted the language of his statement to make it appear less criminal but the facts speak for themselves. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5182449/James-Comeys-statement-Clinton-emails-watered-down.html Comey's infamous statement on Hillary email probe was watered down to remove any implication she was guilty of a crimeJames Comey's draft statement on the Hillary Clinton email investigation was edited several times before his public announcement to water down the FBI's findings and remove any implication she was guilty of a crime.
A letter sent to the bureau by Senator Ron Johnson, chairman of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, shows multiple edits to the May 2016 draft.
This includes downgrading the claim it was 'reasonable likely' that 'hostile actors' accessed Secretary Clinton's emails to later say this was only 'possible'.
Comey initially wrote that the FBI believed that Clinton and her aides were 'grossly negligent' in their handling of classified information, language also contained in the relevant criminal statute.So she either did or did not commit a crime. Do you believe that the FACT that Hillary had classified email on her unsecured, unauthorized private email server constituted a crime?
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Post by Speed Racer on Sept 9, 2020 17:14:35 GMT -5
Your very basic question has evolved from: Do you believe that Hillary broke the law when she housed classified emails on her unsecured private email server? to: Do you believe that the FACT that Hillary had classified email on her unsecured, unauthorized private email server constituted a crime?
Talk about turning into a pretzel. Ill keep it simple for you. If she did something illegal then it's a crime. However, you have not proven that, and neither did anyone else which is why she's leaving the beach house to hit the campaign trail for Biden instead of spending time behind bars with trumps swamp dwellers. You can re-phrase a loaded question for a black and white answer and while you've tried, you failed to do that. Life just isn't as simple as you wish it could be in this case. If it was, trump would be locked up too.
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