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Post by Speed Racer on Jun 3, 2020 17:40:48 GMT -5
I applaud ? for actually reading the BS that crazy curly-sue passes off as a legitimate study to prove some meandering thought his master attempts to pass off as reality. More effort than I care to expend on bobos frivolous and ranting posts.
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Post by StalkingButler on Jun 4, 2020 3:10:10 GMT -5
So the Lancet HCQ study has turned out to be a fake.
What is WRONG with you people?
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Post by StalkingButler on Jun 4, 2020 6:45:54 GMT -5
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Post by Speed Racer on Jun 4, 2020 8:31:59 GMT -5
I thought you dopes hated the WHO now that trump stopped funding them. A definitive answer will be good however I wouldnt get to giddy over it. Its been studied before.
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Post by StalkingButler on Jun 4, 2020 9:16:32 GMT -5
I thought you dopes hated the WHO now that trump stopped funding them. A definitive answer will be good however I wouldnt get to giddy over it. Its been studied before. You're missing the point. Someone went to a great deal of effort to fake a study and have it placed in what's generally considered the most prestigious medical journal in the world. This is a massive scandal but, as usual, the people who are supposed to be informing us will allow it to fade away without fanfare. So whether or not treatment with HCQ is helpful is irrelevant, someone is lying to us and is sparing no expense to do so. Are we really willing to lie about a potential beneficial medication for COVID19 just to make Trump look bad? And if it turns out to actually be beneficial how many lives have to be lost in the name of politics? So again I have to ask: what is wrong with you people?
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Post by Speed Racer on Jun 4, 2020 10:43:33 GMT -5
'Someone is lying to us' I know who it is. Starts with t and ends with rump.
You say it being a cure is irrelevant? Do you want to walk that back or do you really believe it?
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Post by StalkingButler on Jun 4, 2020 10:55:07 GMT -5
'Someone is lying to us' I know who it is. Starts with t and ends with rump. You say it being a cure is irrelevant? Do you want to walk that back or do you really believe it? It's irrelevant to the fact that we are being lied to. It's efficacy remains indeterminate. We won't know until we have completed the studies that were in progress until the fake study shut them down. Thankfully the deception was uncovered and the halted studies are continuing, The question remains, why go through all that effort to deceive the Lancet and the rest of the world struggling with this disease? What is the motivation? What are the consequences of failing to explore every potential modality?
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Post by Speed Racer on Jun 4, 2020 16:26:37 GMT -5
'Someone is lying to us' I know who it is. Starts with t and ends with rump. You say it being a cure is irrelevant? Do you want to walk that back or do you really believe it? It's irrelevant to the fact that we are being lied to. It's efficacy remains indeterminate. We won't know until we have completed the studies that were in progress until the fake study shut them down. Thankfully the deception was uncovered and the halted studies are continuing, The question remains, why go through all that effort to deceive the Lancet and the rest of the world struggling with this disease? What is the motivation? What are the consequences of failing to explore every potential modality? You do know this has been studied worldwide since trump uttered the word. Now you're hanging your theory on a single organization you hated last week, and they just promised to include it with all the other studies they're doing. Don't look now but your desperation is showing.
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Post by StalkingButler on Jun 4, 2020 17:56:28 GMT -5
Okay, I see neither of you are going to get it. Carry on.
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Post by Speed Racer on Jun 4, 2020 18:19:53 GMT -5
The bright light of truth shows all flaws.
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Post by StalkingButler on Jul 3, 2020 8:01:11 GMT -5
Study finds hydroxychloroquine helped coronavirus patients survive betterwww.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-helped-coronavirus-patients-survive-better/ar-BB16hifu?ocid=msedgntpA surprising new study found that the controversial antimalarial drug hydroxychloroquine helped patients better survive in the hospital.
A team at Henry Ford Health System in Southeast Michigan said Thursday its study of 2,541 hospitalized patients found that those given hydroxychloroquine were much less likely to die.
Dr. Marcus Zervos, division head of infectious disease for Henry Ford Health System, said 26% of those not given hydroxychloroquine died, compared to 13% of those who got the drug. The team looked back at everyone treated in the hospital system since the first patient in March.
"Overall crude mortality rates were 18.1% in the entire cohort, 13.5% in the hydroxychloroquine alone group, 20.1% among those receiving hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, 22.4% among the azithromycin alone group, and 26.4% for neither drug," the team wrote in a report published in the International Journal of Infectious Diseases.
It's a surprising finding because several other studies have found no benefit from hydroxychloroquine, a drug originally developed to treat and prevent malaria. President Donald Trump touted the drug heavily, but later studies found not only did patients not do better if they got the drug, they were more likely to suffer cardiac side effects.
From CNN who sort of had to admit that hydroxychloroquine was found to be effective but had to throw in the scare lie about "cardiac side effects" about a drug that has be used for years for a variety of conditions. These people are scum. In any case, it cardiac side effects hydroxychloroquine that does the virus killing, it's zinc. Hydroxychloroquine just allows zinc to be more effective.
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Post by Speed Racer on Jul 3, 2020 11:41:54 GMT -5
HCL, mush like your president, has been debunked. Give it up. You're the only one left. Wear a mask.
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Post by ALGERNON on Jul 3, 2020 15:05:38 GMT -5
Heh, heh, heh ... oh poor little StalkingButtkisser ... the little groveling lackey will grasp at any straw, no matter how flimsy, to try and defend the Incompetent Idiot.
How much of a spineless sycophant must you be that you will keep posting these obviously half-baked studies just to keep your lips planted on the Dotard's derriere.
Why can't these MAGA morons accept reality and simply admit that the Liar-in-Chief is just a snakeoil salesman who doesn't know wtf he's talking about?
Why do these ideological imbeciles keep taking the insane ramblings of a narcissistic a-hole seriously? None of his predictions' have ever been proven true.
Seriously, get up off your knees for once in your miserable existence and have a genuine thought that hasn't been put in your head by someone else ... do ya'll have the spine to do that?
The full title of the article and the article itself highlights discrepancies in the study and question it's findings. Title: Study finds hydroxychloroquine may have boosted survival, but other researchers have doubts
From the article:
Researchers not involved with the study were critical. They noted that the Henry Ford team did not randomly treat patients but selected them for various treatments based on certain criteria. "As the Henry Ford Health System became more experienced in treating patients with COVID-19, survival may have improved, regardless of the use of specific therapies," Dr. Todd Lee of the Royal Victoria Hospital in Montreal, Canada, and colleagues wrote in a commentary in the same journal. "Finally, concomitant steroid use in patients receiving hydroxychloroquine was more than double the non-treated group. This is relevant considering the recent RECOVERY trial that showed a mortality benefit with dexamethasone." The steroid dexamethasone can reduce inflammation in seriously ill patients. ... Rosenberg also pointed out that the Detroit paper excluded 267 patients -- nearly 10% of the study population -- who had not yet been discharged from the hospital. He said this might have skewed the results to make hydroxychloroquine look better than it really was. Those patients might have still been in the hospital because they were very sick, and if they died, excluding them from the study made hydroxychloroquine look like more of a lifesaver than it really was. "There's a little bit of loosey-goosiness here in all this," he told CNN.
... While helpful, observational studies are not as valuable as controlled clinical trials. Considered the gold standard in medicine, patients in a clinical trial are randomly assigned to take either the drug or a placebo, which is a treatment that does nothing. Doctors then follow the patients to see how they fare. Two clinical trials on hydroxychloroquine for Covid-19, one in the US and one in the UK, were stopped early because their data suggested hydroxychloroquine wasn't helpful. It's insane. The whole world is concerned about what is happening to US. Legitimate concern. They know we're better than this, but what can they do but watch with a mixture of pity and horror and cut us off.
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Post by Speed Racer on Jul 3, 2020 16:47:58 GMT -5
And we circle back to my 'We are the dirty country" thread. At this rate, trump won't need his draconian immigration policy. Who would want to come to a laughing stock, third world, diseased, broke country where there are no jobs where you're ostracized and blocked off from traveling the rest of the world?
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Post by StalkingButler on Jul 6, 2020 6:57:10 GMT -5
HCL, mush like your president, has been debunked. Give it up. You're the only one left. Wear a mask. Why do you hate CNN?
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Post by Speed Racer on Jul 6, 2020 16:35:43 GMT -5
I dont hate CNN, that's an odd thing to say. I just haven't watched it in a couple of months. Why, did I miss something? Maybe you can you enlighten me.
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Post by StalkingButler on Jul 7, 2020 6:26:29 GMT -5
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Post by Speed Racer on Jul 7, 2020 14:46:17 GMT -5
Funny, I thought CNN was all fake news to you neo fascists. Unless it fits your narrative, I guess.
Stick with it, HCL is a cure all, I got it. Let me know when you wake up.
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Post by Speed Racer on Jul 7, 2020 14:54:57 GMT -5
One study from the henry ford institute? That article is so full of caveats and disclaimers its interesting that such a conpriracy nut such as yourself would cling to it. Why cant cons read?
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Post by ALGERNON on Jul 7, 2020 17:52:17 GMT -5
One study from the henry ford institute? That article is so full of caveats and disclaimers its interesting that such a conpriracy nut such as yourself would cling to it. Why cant cons read? And it's right in the headline too... " .....but other researchers have doubts" The selective reading is constant with these people. No wonder they LOVE redacted transcripts..... easier to not see than to not know.
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Post by StalkingButler on Jul 8, 2020 5:15:11 GMT -5
One study from the henry ford institute? That article is so full of caveats and disclaimers its interesting that such a conpriracy nut such as yourself would cling to it. Why cant cons read? And that’s because it’s CNN. But even CNN can’t hide the truth forever.
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Post by ALGERNON on Jul 8, 2020 9:17:37 GMT -5
One study from the henry ford institute? That article is so full of caveats and disclaimers its interesting that such a conpriracy nut such as yourself would cling to it. Why cant cons read? And that’s because it’s CNN. But even CNN can’t hide the truth forever. "The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors," Dr. Marcus Zervos of the Henry Ford Health System
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Post by StalkingButler on Jul 8, 2020 9:22:29 GMT -5
And that’s because it’s CNN. But even CNN can’t hide the truth forever. "The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors," Dr. Marcus Zervos of the Henry Ford Health System And it was apparently pretty successful for this cohort. Nice!
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Post by Speed Racer on Jul 8, 2020 14:42:59 GMT -5
That institute is just playing it up for favoritism status with trump. It's the same old thing, stroke him a little and agree with his fictional wacky narratives but throw in a lot of caveats to CYA and maybe get some presidential love in the future. Ewww.
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Post by ALGERNON on Jul 8, 2020 14:47:11 GMT -5
"The combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin was reserved for selected patients with severe COVID-19 and with minimal cardiac risk factors," Dr. Marcus Zervos of the Henry Ford Health System And it was apparently pretty successful for this cohort. Nice! Sure.... narrow the scope of any study and get the results you want.
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Post by StalkingButler on Jul 9, 2020 6:43:27 GMT -5
And it was apparently pretty successful for this cohort. Nice! Sure.... narrow the scope of any study and get the results you want. That's a pretty significant cohort. The big news what that it was successful for those " with severe COVID-19" It's too bad that people with cardiac risk factors aren't able to take advantage of the protocol. Hopefully something will come along for those folks too.
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Post by Speed Racer on Jul 9, 2020 8:22:59 GMT -5
You acting like its an approved viable cure when its nothing but a trump pipe dream. Run down to the local CVS and get a bottle. Tell me how that works out for you.
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Post by StalkingButler on Jul 9, 2020 10:27:28 GMT -5
You acting like its an approved viable cure when its nothing but a trump pipe dream. Run down to the local CVS and get a bottle. Tell me how that works out for you. It's a prescription drug Speedy. There are other zinc ionophores though. I believe that quercetin and a flavenoid from green tea are also useful ion this regard. pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jf5014633
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Post by Speed Racer on Jul 9, 2020 16:54:26 GMT -5
You acting like its an approved viable cure when its nothing but a trump pipe dream. Run down to the local CVS and get a bottle. Tell me how that works out for you. It's a prescription drug Speedy. There are other zinc ionophores though. I believe that quercetin and a flavenoid from green tea are also useful ion this regard. pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jf5014633Find a doctor that will give you a prescription for HCL when you're hooked up to your ventilator with the virus. Or you could do us all a favor and simply wear a mask until covid19 'magically' disappears.
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Post by StalkingButler on Jul 10, 2020 7:00:57 GMT -5
It's a prescription drug Speedy. There are other zinc ionophores though. I believe that quercetin and a flavenoid from green tea are also useful ion this regard. pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/jf5014633Find a doctor that will give you a prescription for HCL when you're hooked up to your ventilator with the virus. Or you could do us all a favor and simply wear a mask until covid19 'magically' disappears. It's too late when you have to be put on a ventilator. Have you not been paying attention?
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